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Chiming in to say that I've also had a lot of enlightenment experiences, though of course like all the others, I have no proof.

Actually it's impossible to prove you had an enlightenment experience, because the (real) experience of enlightenment is one where subject and object disappears momentarily.

I'm in the rinzai school of zen Buddhism, where you introspect what are called koans.

I started introspecting koans after reading the teachings of joshu sasaki roshi. From reading him, I felt like he knew what he was talking about.

A koan is not a riddle but a way to manifest or realize this (momentary) oneness of subject and object.

First time it happened to me was while working (manual labor). I was introspecting the mu koan, saying mu mu mu to myself while working and I had a very brief experience of oneness which lasted half a second.

Second time was during meditation, I was just sitting doing shikantaza (do nothing meditation) and out of the blue said mu in my head which led me to another experience (very brief, like a one second) experience of oneness.

I then started to introspect the 10th koan in the gateless gate : seizei alone and poor.

I tried to experience this oneness while (suddenly) hearing something.

I got it while just sitting and hearing suddenly the noise of a truck passing by. Again, it only lasts a second but it leaves an impression, it’s really strong.

I then cultivated this ability, and now after many years I can experience this oneness whenever I hear anything unexpectedly. if you try for it, you miss it. (Though of course at first you have to try. You have to try without trying, which is why it’s insanely hard to get this enlightenment experience). but it does get easier as you progress.

So (real) enlightenment is not a state you fall into and where you stay, rather it’s an ability to experience oneness from time to time for just a second. As soon as you become aware of it, it’s gone –Because it’s an experience in which subject (“you”) and object (everything else) are together. You can’t stay in it unless you die.

I hope my take (which i know is different from the one you usually hear) will be of some help

cheers

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Geoffrey DeSena's avatar

This is absolutely fascinating. I guess I’ll take the hint that I ought to pick up my meditation practice again. But this reminds me of the Wim Hof situation. It’s not always clear whether it’s the method or the person that is special. Does the WHM give everyone superpowers? Or is Wim just a freak? Daniel Ingram seems like a similar character. Are these results replicable in other people? If not, why not? Just because we’re too lazy to stick with the program? (Not unlikely) If the method is applicable to noobs like me, should I buy Ingram’s book?

Looking forward to part 2!

(For the record, I’ve been doing cold exposure regularly for a few years with great results.)

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